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2 points by tokipin 5766 days ago | link | parent

i'm currently writing a blog post featuring Arc's ccc, and all signs point to it being a 100% implementation. this shouldn't be too surprising since (i believe) the compiler transforms the Arc code to CPS

i don't know what the OP is asking exactly, but the answer is likely yes. i implemented coroutines, so these more straightforward things should be no problem

i talk about it a bit on the blog post, but the problem with continuations is the freaken name. it sounds like some sophisticated thing, when in fact all it is is marking the next instruction. for example:

  (ccc func)
obviously you're using ccc here because you want to go back to it later. perhaps you want to go back to it from within 'func'. in other words, so that 'func' effectively has the ability to arbitrarily return:

  (ccc [do (stuff...)
        (if blah (_ bleh)) ; early return
        (do more stuff)])
but what if control returned right back precisely to ccc? then the whole form would be executed again. see how that would be a problem? so ccc doesn't mark the "current" spot. it marks the next spot so you don't get stuck in an infinite loop

and because it's the next spot, and because you can call _ as a function, they refer to it with the holistic name "continuation," instead of "the spot after the ccc"

they could have just as easily made the primitive be mark-the-current-spot, a la:

  (ccc [= spot _])
but while making mark-the-current-spot with ccc is easy, the converse isn't, nor would mark-the-current-spot necessarily be the most common use form (the impetus for call/cc might have been to give scheme the ability to return)


1 point by absz 5766 days ago | link

Actually, arc just compiles everything down to Scheme; Scheme, of course, has full continuation support, and thus so does Arc.

That's a nice explanation of continuations, but one comment: I think (if I remember what I read correctly) that writing ccc in terms of mark-the-current-spot (or perhaps get/cc, or gcc :P) is actually impossible, but I could be wrong. The other advantage of ccc is that every flow control construct can be simulated using it (including, but not limited to, C's return).

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2 points by tokipin 5766 days ago | link

> I think (if I remember what I read correctly) that writing ccc in terms of mark-the-current-spot (or perhaps get/cc, or gcc :P) is actually impossible, but I could be wrong.

that's the short-term conclusion i came to when i was fidding with it. i didn't exactly prove it was the case though so i was being safe

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1 point by almkglor 5766 days ago | link

You might also want to mention continuation guards and dynamic-wind (which is partially exposed as 'protect in Arc).

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