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1 point by rocketnia 4732 days ago | link | parent

I can't find whatever information you're talking about. Would you mind quoting it and/or elaborating?

Don't put too much work into the explanation, 'cause I'm likely to come in at the end and say "but what about X?" :-p It sounds too good to be true.



1 point by Pauan 4732 days ago | link

It's right near the top of the link:

  All constant-time procedures and operations provided by Racket are
  thread-safe because they are atomic. For example, set! assigns to a variable
  as an atomic action with respect to all threads, so that no thread can see a
  “half-assigned” variable. Similarly, vector-set! assigns to a vector
  atomically. The hash-set! procedure is not atomic, but the table is
  protected by a lock; see Hash Tables for more information. Port operations
  are generally not atomic, but they are thread-safe in the sense that a byte
  consumed by one thread from an input port will not be returned also to
  another thread, and procedures like port-commit-peeked and write-bytes-avail
  offer specific concurrency guarantees.
It mentions that hash table assignment is not thread-safe, however if you then go to the hash table page[1], it says this:

  A mutable hash table can be manipulated with hash-ref, hash-set!, and
  hash-remove! concurrently by multiple threads, and the operations are
  protected by a table-specific semaphore as needed. Three caveats apply,
  however [...]
In other words, Racket already handles everything, according to the docs. If you're ever worried enough, or run into any problems, it's not hard to wrap it in `atomic` yourself. I'd rather not have the cost of `atomic-invoke` for every assignment, especially if you run all your code in one thread (like I do).

By the way, Nu doesn't use `set!` for global assignment, so I'm not sure if global assignment in Nu is thread-safe or not. But I'd assume it is, since I think `namespace-set-variable-value!` is constant-time.

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* [1]: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/hashtables.html

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2 points by rocketnia 4732 days ago | link

In pg-Arc, '= on a variable is 'assign without 'atomic. Where 'atomic comes in is when there's a setforms thing to worry about.

And in that case, this...

  (= (car car.foo) (bar))
...turns into something like this:

  (atomic:with (gs1 car.foo gs2 (bar))
    ( (fn (val) (scar gs1 val))
      gs2))
This ensures that car.foo, (bar), and (scar gs1 val) all happen without interference in between. I suspect Racket at most protects those on an individual basis.

That said, I don't care about 'atomic myself. :-p

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1 point by Pauan 4732 days ago | link

"In pg-Arc, '= on a variable is 'assign without 'atomic. Where 'atomic comes in is when there's a setforms thing to worry about."

I am aware. It still seems to me that if you're dealing with threads, you should wrap assignment in atomic yourself if you're worried about such things. Code that doesn't deal with threads shouldn't have to use atomic.

Perhaps there should be an `a=` macro that's just like `=` but it calls `atomic`. Hm... I wonder... would it be possible to detect whether code is running in the default thread and if not, automatically wrap it in atomic...? May be more trouble than it's worth, though.

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2 points by rocketnia 4732 days ago | link

"May be more trouble than it's worth, though."

That's what I think. Anyone who cares can say (atomic:= ...) or (atomic:zap ...), so I only see a couple of reasons why we'd want to have the 'atomic implicit:

- We want to use it all the time anyway. (I doubt it, but it's hard to tell. I haven't used threads, and therefore I've never bothered to find a way to squeeze utility out of it.)

- There are people who do care, and they'd be better off if the people who didn't care still used 'atomic by accident. (Again, it's hard for me to tell if this is true.)

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