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2 points by waterhouse 5353 days ago | link | parent

Here is my arc.lisp file, for everyone who is interested. Tell me if the link works, I've never shared anything with Dropbox before:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3678008/arc.lisp

aw: Nice find. I could use that.

fallintothis: I'm aware of the destructuring use of the Arc 'let. But I find that when I want destructuring, I usually want to go (mapcar (fn ((a b)) ...) (tuples 2 xs)), and I rarely use an explicit 'dsb; if I want it, though, it's there. My version of 'with is all I need most of the time.



1 point by evanrmurphy 5324 days ago | link

I am trying out your "arc.lisp" now. Seems great so far.

There is much exploring to do, but my initial confusion with =. Seems it's not working and maybe not even defined. I read your discussion above of the problems with =, but I thought that was about your Arc in PLT, not CL. I haven't looked closely at the guts of "arc.lisp" yet, so maybe that will answer my question.

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2 points by waterhouse 5323 days ago | link

Oh, I forgot to include that in the list of idiosyncrasies. Basically, use setf wherever you would use = in Arc. The reason, in short, is that = is already the numerical-equality function, and CL doesn't like people to redefine things.

In PLT Scheme, you just have to uncheck a box that says "Disallow redefinition of initial bindings" and then you can redefine almost everything, but in CL, it will complain about breaking a package lock and go into the debugger whenever you try to redefine a built-in function, of which = is one. It's possible to tell it "Yes, ignore package lock", but I don't want to do that for every single function every time I start up SBCL. I think it is possible to tell it to automatically ignore the lock... But this is the way it is right now. Also, when you try to redefine 'if, you just run into a brick wall:

  The special operator IF can't be redefined as a macro.
I stumbled on one other workaround, too... you can create a new package and choose not to import (all of) the stuff from CL-USER. So far, though, this doesn't even import the symbol nil, and when I do import it, it gets printed with a "COMMON-LISP:" prefix.

  (make-package 'arc-user)
  (in-package 'arc-user)
  (cl-user::defvar nil cl-user::nil)
  * nil
  COMMON-LISP:NIL
  * (cl-user::evenp 2)
  COMMON-LISP:T
I guess one might be able to get used to that. Might try it out if I feel adventurous. For now, put up with using setf, mapcar, iff, and my version of with.

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1 point by akkartik 5353 days ago | link

Works great, thanks. (No other comments/questions yet.)

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